The one thing the society hates more then anything is publisity so I woud...
Pay for a full page newspaper ad in ever major newspaper in the world, offering...a free program to break mind control.
...and the only stipulation for spending it was that you had to use it in some way against the wts, how would you use the money?
a tv campaign?
radio?
The one thing the society hates more then anything is publisity so I woud...
Pay for a full page newspaper ad in ever major newspaper in the world, offering...a free program to break mind control.
we are great friends now....but he wasn't much of a father growing up.. worked all the time...we went on few vacations....pretty much pussy whipped my my nazis jw mother.. he never did believe in the whole jw thing.
he just when along with it, for my mothers sake.. she never did respect him for not being a "spiritual head" and pretty much let us kids know about it.. i, like my mother became very self rightious and judgmental.. i wished now he had just came to me just once and said "keith maybe the jws are not the people you think they are.
" but he was to afraid of my mother to say that...even though he knew it to be true.i would have never believed him....back then....but it would have planted a seed.... .
My father was a socialapath. Loved people around, the life of the party. He treated his family completly different when there was no one to impress around....Plus we knew the real him. Thats why we always wanted to have company over....It was the only time Dad was cool....
He was a world class liar. He loved to impress his friends with stories that were at best maybe 50% true. I remember one time, I corrected him in front of his friends....he slapped the shit out of me....It was one of the few times he ever hit me.
Everytime I see him now (he is 85 years old)....He tells me the same stories he has for years as if I have never heard them before....Now I just smile and don't say a word.
He was a hard worker and I never saw him drunk, ever. He stayed with my mother even though she was one of the worst JW nut jobs on the planet. He was and is "Tony Soprino" He do anything for his friends....his enemys...different story.
He would and has given me the shirt off his back.
The most touching thing he ever said to me was "I know...I wasn't a very Good father...It's not because I didn't want to me...I didn't know HOW to be one"......Truth or lie...who knows.
I thought great, now things will change....that was 25 years ago.....same dad.
What is interesting after reading all the post here...That for most of us that even after all the shit our fathers have done to us...most of us still love them...and want to have that father son connection.
I know one thing, I love my father...I will never judge him...and who knows maybe he just like all the rest of the people on the planet....people who are doing the best they can with the "cards that were deal them."......people with the best intentions.
we are great friends now....but he wasn't much of a father growing up.. worked all the time...we went on few vacations....pretty much pussy whipped my my nazis jw mother.. he never did believe in the whole jw thing.
he just when along with it, for my mothers sake.. she never did respect him for not being a "spiritual head" and pretty much let us kids know about it.. i, like my mother became very self rightious and judgmental.. i wished now he had just came to me just once and said "keith maybe the jws are not the people you think they are.
" but he was to afraid of my mother to say that...even though he knew it to be true.i would have never believed him....back then....but it would have planted a seed.... .
After reading these posts.....with tears in my eyes, I wonder if we should write a letter to our fathers. Telling them the things we have said here...
Would it do any good....probably not...my father is 85 years old... will he change?...doubtful.
But....who knows it could plant a seed...
Plus they could never ever say....they didn't know how we REALLY felt..
Keith Casarona
i only went twice right before i left in 2001.. my then jw wife.... thought in would be a good idea.
she thought all "my angry issuses" were against my dead nazis jw mother.....they were really about me living a lie for over 10 years... so anyway...i went to this dr. and in just 2 visits, told him my whole life story,begining to end.
he did't really say very much.. at the end of the whole thing i said "well doc...you can see that i'm pretty much screwed no matter what i do...if i stay in the cult i'm screwed...and if i leave i'm screwed!.
It is interesting....84 hits in 5 hours....
I guess the vast majority don't think therapy is all that important.
I know I haven't shaken off all my demons and think both my kids and me could use more therapy now...more then ever.
we are great friends now....but he wasn't much of a father growing up.. worked all the time...we went on few vacations....pretty much pussy whipped my my nazis jw mother.. he never did believe in the whole jw thing.
he just when along with it, for my mothers sake.. she never did respect him for not being a "spiritual head" and pretty much let us kids know about it.. i, like my mother became very self rightious and judgmental.. i wished now he had just came to me just once and said "keith maybe the jws are not the people you think they are.
" but he was to afraid of my mother to say that...even though he knew it to be true.i would have never believed him....back then....but it would have planted a seed.... .
We are great friends now....but he wasn't much of a father growing up.
Worked all the time...we went on few vacations....pretty much pussy whipped my my Nazis JW mother.
He never did believe in the whole JW thing. He just when along with it, for my mothers sake.
She never did respect him for not being a "Spiritual Head" and pretty much let us kids know about it.
I, like my mother became very self rightious and judgmental.
I wished now he had just came to me just once and said "Keith maybe the JWs are not the people you think they are." but he was to afraid of my mother to say that...even though he knew it to be true.I would have never believed him....back then....but it would have planted a seed....
We are close now but we lost 30 years because of the poison....of their faith.
i only went twice right before i left in 2001.. my then jw wife.... thought in would be a good idea.
she thought all "my angry issuses" were against my dead nazis jw mother.....they were really about me living a lie for over 10 years... so anyway...i went to this dr. and in just 2 visits, told him my whole life story,begining to end.
he did't really say very much.. at the end of the whole thing i said "well doc...you can see that i'm pretty much screwed no matter what i do...if i stay in the cult i'm screwed...and if i leave i'm screwed!.
I only went twice right before I left in 2001.
My then JW wife.... thought in would be a good idea. She thought all "my angry issuses" were against my dead Nazis JW mother.....They were really about me living a LIE for over 10 years..
So anyway...I went to this DR. and in just 2 visits, told him my whole life story,begining to end. He did't really say very much.
At the end of the whole thing I said "Well Doc...you can see that I'm pretty much screwed no matter what I do...If I stay in the cult I'm screwed...and if I leave I'm screwed!
To which he said...shaking his head....."Yep...your right!"
His words were right....there would be pain either way I went.....but the "light went on." There was just something about me telling a stranger about my crazy life as a Jehovah's Witness. How, the religion treated me and my family. The fear and gulit we had.....telling all these things to a total stranger.....Me just listening to my own words come out of my mouth....trying to make my life "sound Normal"....As if to say it's no big deal I can live with it...
I knew I could no longer live in this hell, I created for myself...Even with the possibity of losing just about everything....I knew I couldn't sit on the fence any longer....
As they say "Get busy living or...get busy dying"
Was it easy....No...did I lose all the things I "thought" were important to me .....but really weren't, yes... with the exception of my two wonderful children, who left the borg too.
If I could go back and change it......would I?.....Not for one minute....The gains far out weight the loses!
So yes...Therapy....could be a good thing.
i posted this at the end of worldlygirl's question, but i think it got bared into so many posts...
hi there, i am pretty much in the same situation here as the worldly girl(minus the children).
my boyfriend is an ex jw his ex wife cheated on him they divorced.
Do whatever you like just keep in mind.
1.If your boy friend joins back up...the real presure for you to join, will begin...because his family will be on him as well.
2. If you join and change your mind later...the same thing his family did to him (cut him off for years) they will do to you.
If that sounds fun and you don't have a problem with that....go for it.
I was in love too but when I decided to leave it destroyed our marriage.....it can have that kind of power.
are you pretty much the same here as you are in real life??
?.
I think I will defir to the 20 people that have meet in person. They would be the best ones to answer that question.
Not me.
i'm a fader myself.... mentally exhausted from thinking of all the reasons why i've given up the "truth" and then the whole "what if" bs... anyway, welcome me, i'm new.
:)
Welcome my friend
You will find no judgment here. We are all fellow travelers.
The stories here will blow your mind...
apparently some food items offend persons on this site.
so, out of curiousity, what foods offend you?
what about them offends you?
I can eat anything but one thing!
Monkey balls....I tried them can't stand them....that is were I draw the line.